February 13, 2007
Hearing of the proposed March 17, 2007 March on the Pentagon, slated to assemble at the Constitution Gardens, which contains the Viet Nam Memorial, concerned Viet Nam Veterans have banded together, organizing a call to other veterans to protect our Memorial, calling themselves 'Gathering of Eagles'
to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall.
Ms. Sheehan, better known as Momma Moonbat, has gotten wind of this and in true fashion, has posted a reply of her own, Rightest America Haters. In her fashion of ranting uncontrollably without thinking of what she spews or its effects, she calls those who are concerned about her group’s upcoming actions, “self-proclaimed patriots.” “so called "Gathering of Eagles",” and “poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized, "Eagles",” then goes on to remind us of HER first amendment rights and the oath that we and her son took upon entering or reenlisting in the Military and calling on us to join her march “if [we] really believed in this country and what [we] ostensibly "fought for".”
Ms. Sheehan, we don’t need you to remind us of anything. We know full well there are over 58,000 names of our brothers on that Wall. We also know that we had that war basically won after we totally defeated the North Vietnamese Communists in their ill fated Tet of ’68 Offensive.
We know that the North Vietnamese, under the command of General Vo Ngyuen Giap, was considering a “negotiated surrender” after his forces were decimated in that failed Offensive.
We know that he saw and heard the words of Walter Cronkite describe their failure as a ‘victory’ for them and a ‘defeat’ for us.
We know that is what encouraged them to forgo the surrender and fight on from the shadows in ‘hit and run’ fashion, as agents of the KGB infiltrated the anti-war left of the time and whipped up false stories of mass mutiny’s, fraggings, drug usage, atrocities, un-prosecuted war crimes, suicides and other such nonsense you came to believe, relegating us first as deranged walking time bombs then to ‘victimized’ deranged walking time bombs.
We know that the current enemy, the Islamofascists, is following the pattern learned and set by the North Vietnamese to inflict death on American troops and drain the public support of our troops and their mission.
All these years later and we still see and hear this misguided rhetoric from you people as you continue to label us as “poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized.”
At the website linked above, addressing the assembly point, we read, “This is not the Vietnam Memorial itself… We will not be in the Vietnam Memorial and all speakers for amplified sound are turned away from the Memorial so as not to interfere with family members visiting the site.” Gathering of Eagles will be present to ensure that is in fact what you do.
In regards to Gathering of Eagles presence to protect the Wall, Sheehan says, “I have never spat on anything. I have never thrown paint on anything. I wonder which propaganda for profit news source these "Eagles" get their information from?” What “propaganda for profit” source?
January 25, 1995 New York Times, “Veterans' Memorial on L.I. Vandalized.”
December 1, 2006, “Veterans cemetery in Fernley, NV vandalized.”
March 31, 2003, California “American Legion in Raising Funds To Replace Vandalized Memorial ”
July 31, 2006, Corpus Christi, Texas “Veterans Memorial repair still not complete”
April 4, 2004, San Marcos, Texas “Vandals Deface Veterans Memorial”
January 2007, Pittsburgh, “War Memorial vandalized”
May 2007, Beeville, Texas "war memorial destroyed."
In addition to the above incidents, states have started talking about passing stronger laws about defacing Veterans Memorials;
Chicago 2006, maximum fine for defacing a veterans memorial [should] be increased from $500 to $750
2003 California, VANDALISM OF VETERANS' MEMORIAL OR MONUMENT
Clearly, there is ample concern over vandalism to Veterans Memorials, regardless of what Sheehan thinks. Did she forget when the Anti-war protesters spray paint Capitol building recently?
Cindy asks, “do you wish that the Iraq War Memorial have 58,000 names on it?”
No, Ms. Sheehan, we do not. That is why we are still adhering to our oath you quoted, “..I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..” That would include self aggrandizing parents of a fallen hero who bash veterans that do not join her misguided anti-American protests and encourage our enemies to kill more troops.
Gathering of Eagles will be there too, Cindy, protecting the Wall and exercising THEIR first amendment freedoms.
Lew
UPDATE 1: For some insight into the veracity of Viet Nam Veterans claims of being spat upon:
Resolving the Spitting Debate
Viet Nam Spitting
Many 1967-72 Spitting Incidents Are Documented in the Press.
UPDATE 2: Sheehan seems to still think the Viet Nam Veterans Memorial is 'hers' and seems to have gone 'berserk' that Veterans oppose her. Read details at You Don't Speak For Me, Cindy!: Cindy Sheehan Goes Berzerk Over A "Gathering of Eagles"
Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Cindy Sheehan Labels Viet Nam Veterans “Rightist Haters of America”
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Great post, Lew. It's especially important to debunk the "spitting on vets never happened" myth being promulgated by the left. Not to mention the attempts to revise history and make it look as if the Democratic-controlled Congress didn't pull funding for the war (and thereby pull the rug out from under the S. Vietnamese). They're trying to do it again today, so it's important for them to try and downplay the horrific outcome that resulted in the past from such actions.
Cinnamon, I full well recall the day Saigon fell. I was still in the Army, sitting in our company area at Ft. Bragg, N.C., along with the rest of my unit, just waiting for the order to redeploy, as we promised the South Vietnamese in the Paris Peace Accords we forced them to accept.
Naturally, the order never came, thanks to the "bi-partisan" Case/Church Amendment, passed in June 1973, basically forbidding any Military Support for South Viet Nam.
That was preceded by the Cooper/Church Amendment that ended funding for operations we were conducting in Cambodia in 1970(where we were destroying the 'Ho Chi Minh Trail) to intersect and cut off resupply of munitions and personnel flooding into the South. Contrary to popular belief, the Viet Cong were virtually destroyed in the failed Tet of '68 Offensive and the so called "insurgents" then were actually well trained regular forces of the North Vietnamese Communists. (openly admitted by former North Vietnamese Officers today)
Gerald Ford requested funding for the South as the North continued their push towards Saigon and the Democrat controlled Congress denied the request, just weeks before Sasigon fell.
As Saigon fell and South Vietnamese fled, as President Ford begged for funds to strengthen the South Vietnamese, as we promised should the refreshed and resupplied North Vietnamese Military violate the cease-fire and resume hostilities against South Viet Nam, Congress simply turned their back.
Prior, shortly after the Accords were signed, the Soviet Union and China started a resupply of the North, while we cut any aid or funding to the South, leading to our refusal to help them as they were overran by the Communists.
Not long after that, Jimmy Carter was elected, partly due ads running across the South of America (are you going to let the North beat us again?) and immediately granted amnesty to the Draft Dodgers, giving me the straw that broke the camels back as to my Army career (I had been 8 years by then). I let my enlistment run out and became a civilian again in March of 1977.
The anti-war left's phony "We support the troops, but not the war" came about due to their guilt and memories of the way they treated us as we came home from Viet Nam, including the few spitting incidents documented and denied by them today. In fact, some have actually stated it was we who spit on them!
Ask Vietnamese refugees who were part of the "Boat People" flood escaping Viet Nam about how 'benevolent' the Communists were. Their's is a story we need to preserve as what the left is repeating today will end up being so much worse than just Iraqi's having to flee their homeland.
This tiime, the enemy will follow us. In fact, they have already been here, twice, at least.
Lew, speaking of myths:
Regarding your claim that the actions of the anti-war types and media resulted in the communists taking heart and sticking it out instead of, as you stated: "We know that the North Vietnamese, under the command of General Vo Ngyuen Giap, was considering a negotiated surrender after his forces were decimated in that failed Offensive", well I find that myth hard to swallow.
It's the first I heard of such a claim, if true, I am sure the media would have ran with it, a story is a story afterall.
Canuck, I am surprised you haven't heard about Giap's consideration of surrender, it has been known for years now. It was written in his memoirs, available only in Vietnamese, last I heard.
In support of that, though, other North Vietnamese have spoken of it, or hinted at it.
UPI mentioned it in 2004, Analysis: A Mini-Tet Offensive
The Wall Street Journal August 3, 1995 ran an interview with North Vietnamese defector, Col. Bui Tin, who accepted the surrender of Saigon, How North Viet Nam Won the War who also alluded to the complicity of the left.
In the October 2005 edition of Vietnam magazine, an interview was printed with General Nguyen Duc Huy, of the North Vietnamese Army. It is not online that I know of, but I made a pdf copy of the entire article from the copy I received. It says;
VN: After the war, Giap told a group of Western reporters that Communist losses in the Tet Offensive were so devastating that if the Americans had kept up that level of military pressure much longer North Vietnam would have been forced to negotiate a peace on American terms. Do you agree?
Huy: If the American anny had fought some more, had continued, I don't know. Maybe. I can't say what would have happened.
There is also How We Won the War by Vo Nguyen Giap
I'll leave it your consideration as to why the mainstream media ignores this story. As far as I'm concerned, they ignore it because it implicates them in the loss of Viet Nama nd they are repeating that today.
Lew:
--I did some digging due to your links and I now don't know what to think. On one hand, I found the author Arnaud de Borchgrave described as a ‘fraudulent journalist’ also that he works for the Reverend Moon’s Washington Times and other articles supporting his(and yours) claims about the Tet Offensive.
I read articulate articles pro and con. My view before reading your links and before my further digging, was that yes indeed, I had the impression the communists took a terrible beating and yes, the US citizens turned against the war en mass and yes, that was perhaps the doing of the MSM slant on the Tet. I also read other articles that disputes that Giap said any such statements attributed to him "that he was considering a negotiating what he called a conditional surrender, Giap said they would now go the limit because America's resolve was weakening and the possibility of complete victory was within Hanoi's grasp".
The disputes are consistent with the constant sniping between the right and left. Hard to tell what the real truth is.
I think I should just go back to reading comic books.
Cauck, we all have to decide for ourselves just what is what, very difficult to do, at times.
However, to me, the General Huy interview and Col. Tims says it all. We can write and speak however we wish, they were there when decisions and statements were made.
As for Arnaud de Borchgrave, a favorite tactic of mostly the left, but the right too, at times, is to ignore an article or evidence presented and destroy the author who compiled and wrote it.
I don't see the ownership of the Washington Times as any different that the far left leaning media owned by leftists. But, that's me.
As for Comic Books, I wish the ones I enjoyed when younger weres till around. Some of them taught me a lot about duty and honor and standing for what is right.
Lew:
As for comic books, if I still had the ones I used to read, I be a rich man.
Me and you both, Canuck. I had them dating back into the early 50's. My Dad loved them and so did I.
I totally agree with your comments. I have posted this to my blog. I hope you dont mind.
http://www.dontspeakforme.blogspot.com
Thank you for your service.
Lady J, thank you for spreading this around. We need to expose these leftists for what they are and how they actually view the Troops and Veterans.
You are more than welcome to use my posts anytime.
Great Post. I am linking this post to my blog. Dont's Speak For Me
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